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- From: floyd@polarnet.com (Floyd Davidson)
- Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house,sci.electronics.misc,comp.dcom.modems
- Subject: Re: 60Hz buzz on phone line & modem problems
- Date: 7 Jan 1996 22:26:06 GMT
- Organization: __________
- Message-ID: <4cph9u$rr8@news.cais.com>
- References: <4cf1le$49d@guysmiley.blarg.net> <DKow0B.4GM@nsc.nsc.com> <siegman-0401962114430001@tip-mp6-ncs-16.stanford.edu>
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- In article <siegman-0401962114430001@tip-mp6-ncs-16.stanford.edu>,
- A. E. Siegman <siegman@ee.stanford.edu> wrote:
- > Besides disconnecting phone lines or phone units one by one to
- >see what happens, you could try opening your _circuit breakers_ one
- >by one, to see if any particular electrical circuit is the culprit.
- >
- > (You may have lots of clocks and other stuff to reset after
- >doing this, however.)
-
- That is one good reason not to bother, but a better one is that it
- is not likely to be of any benefit, because the culprit will not
- be just any particular electrical circuit.
-
- The nature of a twisted pair balanced telephone line is that
- "noise" induced into the pair is equally applied to both sides of
- the pair. The desired signal is applied differentially, or
- unequally to the two wires. Hence the receiving end will see the
- induced "noise" as equal on both wires, and ignore it (called
- common mode rejection) while seeing the signal as the difference
- in voltages between the two wires.
-
- Hence, to the degree that the twisted pair is balanced, it is
- immune to 60 Hz hum from power circuits. Even though that
- immunity is relatively great, it is still a good idea to not run
- long lengths of telephone cable immediately next to power wiring.
- But "long" means many yards, and "next to" means within an inch,
- and doesn't normally exist as an opportunity in most homes.
-
- The 60 Hz hum on a telephone line is an indirect way of measuring
- the imbalance of the telephone circuit. The amount of 60 Hz
- energy in various electical fields through which the cable passes
- is _great_, and no one circuit in any given house is likely to
- be contributing even a significant percentage. Hence you can
- cut the main power source to not only your house, but to the whole
- block where you live, and the 60 Hz hum from an unbalanced line
- will not go away!
-
- There are two likely causes of 60 Hz hum on a telephone line.
- One is a relative short to ground on either tip or ring wire of
- the pair. Commonly this results in not only 60 Hz hum but a
- frying sound very much like hot grease on a griddle. Detecting
- such a condition is easy because it can be measured with a typical
- inexpensive ohm meter.
-
- But 60 Hz hum with no crackling sounds is more likely not a short
- to ground as such. It is an imbalance which does NOT cause any
- current to flow from either wire of the twisted pair to ground.
- Examples would be poor insulation that causes a connection to a
- large surface that is not grounded, such as a wet surface or to
- things like air duct metal. Even something as simple as stapling
- a cable to the wall and hitting one wire with the staple will
- unbalance the cable enough to induce noise.
-
- The most common cause of unbalanced cable hum is using poor cable!
- That nice flat satin cord with modular connectors on it is NOT
- well balanced (it isn't twisted), and the more of it used the more
- 60 Hz hum should be expected.
-
- For testing, I go along with the proceedure that others have
- mentioned, of getting a known good telephone set, and trying it at
- the demarc point. If it is bad there, call the phone company. If
- it is good there, start disconnecting various parts of the
- in-house telephone cabling until the bad cable or piece of
- equipment is isolated.
-
- Floyd
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- Floyd L. Davidson Salcha, Alaska floyd@tanana.polarnet.com
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